gcisadawg
04-13 10:06 PM
This ain't nothing. Wait until the second wave of labor substituted EB3 applicants port their case from EB3 to EB2 or EB1 .Talk about a double whammy. Except a bigger hit in the next year or two when most of the porting succeeds.
Labor substitution may be legal but it is unethical. When everything depends on when you join the queue, how can one cut the line?
Whereas EB3 to EB2 porting is both legal and ethical. When you have a EB3 applicant that is waiting in line for 8 years, he/she had already gathered that much experience based on his long wait. Also, if you look at EB2, it is one of the highly abused category. The EB3 applicant who started in 2001 has joined the line half a decade before the one with 2006 Eb2 PD. One can't really accuse him/her for cutting the line just like one can about substitutes! If the EB3 porting case deserves merit, then I strongly support it!
My intention is not to to start a fight. But we need to see the true picture. Without acknowledging the problem how can we fix it?
Bottom line, GC abuses need to stop and we should fight for it as much as we fight for our rights to get GC!
Labor substitution may be legal but it is unethical. When everything depends on when you join the queue, how can one cut the line?
Whereas EB3 to EB2 porting is both legal and ethical. When you have a EB3 applicant that is waiting in line for 8 years, he/she had already gathered that much experience based on his long wait. Also, if you look at EB2, it is one of the highly abused category. The EB3 applicant who started in 2001 has joined the line half a decade before the one with 2006 Eb2 PD. One can't really accuse him/her for cutting the line just like one can about substitutes! If the EB3 porting case deserves merit, then I strongly support it!
My intention is not to to start a fight. But we need to see the true picture. Without acknowledging the problem how can we fix it?
Bottom line, GC abuses need to stop and we should fight for it as much as we fight for our rights to get GC!
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paskal
12-18 05:17 PM
not sure i succeeded
the title of my post changed
also the thread title has changed- guess someone else did it!
the title of my post changed
also the thread title has changed- guess someone else did it!
msp1976
02-04 01:34 PM
Of course he is very informative, however he is very biased and having wrong openion that EB3 India has stolen EB3_ROW number in previous years as he belongs to ROW. He wrongly assumes that till EB3-ROW becomes current EB2 & EB3-India will not see any movement. He thinks no one knows the rules, laws ect..and he is only one knows everything. The actual fact is most peoples have been doing research on retrogression like him last two years and not having enough time to reply his post. To fuel his openion DOS is violating the section 202 of INA and no one cares about this including IV core team.
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Dear longq....
You should consider gathering a few more EB2 India guys and have a crack at suing USCIS for violating the law...Unfortunately I am EB3 India and this suing does not help me...
You can ask for GCs for all members of your law suits...But USCIS would fight you hard for sure...
IV is collective organization...IV's solution would be to get numbers increased for everyone...Otherwise we would again have a fight bet EB2 and EB3 link the one we had between guys who want the 485 without PD and those who oppose it...
If you want to know true color of Unitednation visit this site.
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=225197&page=3&pp=15&highlight=outlook
If you want to know how unused visanumbers suppose to work as per the law, visit this site.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2659&highlight=century
Dear longq....
You should consider gathering a few more EB2 India guys and have a crack at suing USCIS for violating the law...Unfortunately I am EB3 India and this suing does not help me...
You can ask for GCs for all members of your law suits...But USCIS would fight you hard for sure...
IV is collective organization...IV's solution would be to get numbers increased for everyone...Otherwise we would again have a fight bet EB2 and EB3 link the one we had between guys who want the 485 without PD and those who oppose it...
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gc28262
04-13 11:59 PM
Well, There are many people still waiting for GC with original labor and not substitute labor with PD 2003 or prior to that. I'm not saying Sub Labor is the only reason, but it is one of the reason. Even though they are few...the impact is big... With 7% per country limit and visa numbers looks like would not spill over to EB3 due to demand in EB2 and other categories, even very few (say 3000 - 6000 labor sub applications) could consume a year or 2 years worth of visa numbers for this category for retro countries.... Even each family member (dependent) would consume a visa... with atleat 2 visa per applicant, 3000 - 5000 total EB3 labor sub could easily consume 2 years quote... if you count all.. then the "U" in VB might make sense... For EB3 ROW, there are lotz of people from Canada, S. Korea, Thailand, Australia, UK etc, and it went 'U' from 2003... The dates could move well for ROW... but for retrogressed country, I do not see the bright side yet.... Also the 485 PD was current for all categories almost all of 2003 & 2004 till Dec 31 2004, It retrogressed starting from Jan 2005 and later.... Also, the total 140,000 is for all EB categories. The 3000 - 5000 is just a conservative realistic guess.. not based on any data. Do the Math !!! You might agree !!!
Even if you assume there are 3000-5000 labor subs that chocks up the queue, it might have benefited the ones with a 2003 PD like yourself. But for others (beyond 2003) , it is not much of a help. A visa recapture would benefit the community at large.
Even if you consider 3000-5000 labor subs, not many of those are "sold" labors, many of them are legal ones. labor subs were all legal until some companies started selling those.
Even if you assume there are 3000-5000 labor subs that chocks up the queue, it might have benefited the ones with a 2003 PD like yourself. But for others (beyond 2003) , it is not much of a help. A visa recapture would benefit the community at large.
Even if you consider 3000-5000 labor subs, not many of those are "sold" labors, many of them are legal ones. labor subs were all legal until some companies started selling those.
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seekerofpeace
08-25 05:42 PM
VXG,
That validates my reply previously to a posting by a guy who said that he had called up TSC and they said they go by RD...I had asked him to call back after a day and he'd get totally opposite info.
My situation is the same.....I was TSC-CSC-TSC....but I had received an RFE last year.....dunno why will they preadjudicate and then go by ND which is totally non-sense...logic should be that if a case is preadjudicated it should be put on based on PD..
Again USCIS don't follow any logic...
As I said b4 very few transfer cases will ever get approved.....just bid your time...or apply thru EB1 chances are better that way..
SoP
That validates my reply previously to a posting by a guy who said that he had called up TSC and they said they go by RD...I had asked him to call back after a day and he'd get totally opposite info.
My situation is the same.....I was TSC-CSC-TSC....but I had received an RFE last year.....dunno why will they preadjudicate and then go by ND which is totally non-sense...logic should be that if a case is preadjudicated it should be put on based on PD..
Again USCIS don't follow any logic...
As I said b4 very few transfer cases will ever get approved.....just bid your time...or apply thru EB1 chances are better that way..
SoP
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pappu
11-27 10:27 PM
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chandra_mb
05-27 03:23 PM
....so can i still get under H1B masters quota....
Yes. DDS/DMD can apply under Masters quota.
Yes. DDS/DMD can apply under Masters quota.
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realizeit
02-25 11:04 AM
First of all let me thank all of you who responded to this thread positively or negatively. I have a humble request. Please make sure that the comments that you post in this thread are not finger pointers to anyone else in the community. Please provide your positive or negative comments about this idea. Also make sure that your comments are not cynical ones which will just put this idea into the dust bin. If you can't motivate, please do not discourage others from getting some motivation and giving motivation. Without positive energy and a conducive environment, we will not achieve anything. If you have high cynical opinion, please hold that with you - as it will help you as well - because by doing that, you are helping this community to work on an issue with positive energy. If there is some positive outcome of the effort by this community, you too can enjoy the fruit. So, my point is, your biggest help would be keeping quiet. Let�s have a constructive and productive brain storming.
Even after this brain-storming, if our conclusion is negative, we should not give up. We should continue to work on this and if this requires a legislative change, still this may be an easy one as it won�t add any new GC numbers to the existing quota. This just removes the UNCERTAINITY surrounds our life. What I meant was, there won�t be much ammunition that the protectionists and anti-immigrants can gather against this effort.
I can completely understand the user Ganguteli�s frustration. He has a very valid point too, with respect to applying for I-485 when dates are not current. As I quoted earlier �A journey of a thousand miles begins with a small step.�. So, we should continue this effort in small steps instead of a big bang method. In this current economic environment, if our proposal is too big, it could get ignored within no time. Administration will say that, we will do this along with Comprehensive Immigration reform or something like that. We may add a reasonable addition to this proposal to fix the problems of folks like Ganguteli. Something like, if your 140 is approved and 1 year has passed, the person must be able to apply for 485 irrespective of whether his country is retrogressed or not. I am not sure about the legality of all these. That�s where the importance of this community emerges. If we can work together, we can solve all our problems in small steps.
If IV and our community take this as a priority item to work on, I will provide $500.00 as an initial aid to this effort. I could offer more on the way.
An interesting idea to say the least. Out of box suggestion.
However, there are few things, from legal point of view, it needs to overcome. I will post my detailed comments this afternoon.
Once again, this is a great idea!
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US citizen of Indian origin
Even after this brain-storming, if our conclusion is negative, we should not give up. We should continue to work on this and if this requires a legislative change, still this may be an easy one as it won�t add any new GC numbers to the existing quota. This just removes the UNCERTAINITY surrounds our life. What I meant was, there won�t be much ammunition that the protectionists and anti-immigrants can gather against this effort.
I can completely understand the user Ganguteli�s frustration. He has a very valid point too, with respect to applying for I-485 when dates are not current. As I quoted earlier �A journey of a thousand miles begins with a small step.�. So, we should continue this effort in small steps instead of a big bang method. In this current economic environment, if our proposal is too big, it could get ignored within no time. Administration will say that, we will do this along with Comprehensive Immigration reform or something like that. We may add a reasonable addition to this proposal to fix the problems of folks like Ganguteli. Something like, if your 140 is approved and 1 year has passed, the person must be able to apply for 485 irrespective of whether his country is retrogressed or not. I am not sure about the legality of all these. That�s where the importance of this community emerges. If we can work together, we can solve all our problems in small steps.
If IV and our community take this as a priority item to work on, I will provide $500.00 as an initial aid to this effort. I could offer more on the way.
An interesting idea to say the least. Out of box suggestion.
However, there are few things, from legal point of view, it needs to overcome. I will post my detailed comments this afternoon.
Once again, this is a great idea!
______________________
Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
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08-21 04:11 PM
Yes, I agree. Preadjudication by no means, is a confirmed decision. It is just do as much as possible, but when the time comes, re-review the case - which can result in RFE for anything. Nothing is confirmed until decison is made. Be positive and hope for the best...
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04-15 07:44 PM
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04-15 09:26 PM
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pappu
09-18 12:05 AM
GCstatus,
You joined just one month ago and started accusing IV because they did not reply to your PM. We get several PMs, emails, phone calls everyday. We try to attend as many as possible. However we also have our jobs and life. Not every IV core member comes to the forum to post messages. There are several things we do for this cause that is not forum management work.
If we had an office with a customer service department, we could answer everyone. If people want good customer service from IV, are they willing to provide help through their spouse who does not work and stay at home? In the last 2.5 we have posted several times, but only a handful of members offered help through their spouses to volunteer for IV. After initial start, almost all disappeared within 15 days because there was no money and appreciation by members in this volunteer effort. They preferred to find own jobs and make money. So tell me if you are willing to help out in managing our customer service 24/7?
This is for everyone:
Stop accusing IV if your greencard is not coming soon enough. As Admin2 said, we try to reply to people and help them. However in the last 2.5 years, we never had a single IV member calling us to thank us for helping them. This year everyone is able to file for a 2 year EAD. It was possible because of our effort during the admin fix campaign early this year. So many members are today enjoying the 2 year EAD and do not have to worry about renewing it every year. We have not heard a single member thanking us for it. While we are not here to ask for thank you notes, it is discouraging to hear members coming every week and opening threads accusing IV leadership just because visa bulletin was not in their favor. 2 months ago, some of these members were ignoring IV action item requests and only thinking about own cases and engaging in eb2 vs eb3 on the threads. Put yourself in our shoes and try to do what we are trying to do. Take out that many number of hours everyday for IV as we do. Go on your own expense to DC and meet lawmakers. Get threats from anti-immigrants and still continue to work on this effort without fear.
There is a thread for high five campaign. How many of us have really contributed a mere 5 dollar for it? The community of more than 30 thousand has failed to raise even 5K in more than 2 months and yet we want to see results. 5K is not even enough to file one greencard case and you want to lobby with it and fight with anti-immigrants who spend millions opposing us? Where is IV membership now when we need them? Is the IV membership ready to take the blame for its failure?
Today everyone is talking about sending clocks, letters or even has the courage to send emails to USCIS. 2.5 years ago people were scared to do any of this. Nobody was talking about employer problems or lawyer problems and willing to name them on forums. There was no action item. There was no awareness. But today we have changed all that. This is IV's biggest achievement.
So before you start pointing fingers at IV, pose a question to yourself. Have you done enough for this cause? We need threads to translate into action and results. Your contribution for IV should not be how many threads and posts you have created but what you have done for the community.
As we have always said, join your state chapters and if your chapter is not active, make it active. Be a leader. Use your energy to lead the effort and travel to DC and meet lawmaker offices. Meet lawmakers in your area. Make phone calls, write letters. But don't just create threads with ideas. We need people to work on those ideas.
Remember each one of us is responsible for IV's success and failure and IV is everyone.
You joined just one month ago and started accusing IV because they did not reply to your PM. We get several PMs, emails, phone calls everyday. We try to attend as many as possible. However we also have our jobs and life. Not every IV core member comes to the forum to post messages. There are several things we do for this cause that is not forum management work.
If we had an office with a customer service department, we could answer everyone. If people want good customer service from IV, are they willing to provide help through their spouse who does not work and stay at home? In the last 2.5 we have posted several times, but only a handful of members offered help through their spouses to volunteer for IV. After initial start, almost all disappeared within 15 days because there was no money and appreciation by members in this volunteer effort. They preferred to find own jobs and make money. So tell me if you are willing to help out in managing our customer service 24/7?
This is for everyone:
Stop accusing IV if your greencard is not coming soon enough. As Admin2 said, we try to reply to people and help them. However in the last 2.5 years, we never had a single IV member calling us to thank us for helping them. This year everyone is able to file for a 2 year EAD. It was possible because of our effort during the admin fix campaign early this year. So many members are today enjoying the 2 year EAD and do not have to worry about renewing it every year. We have not heard a single member thanking us for it. While we are not here to ask for thank you notes, it is discouraging to hear members coming every week and opening threads accusing IV leadership just because visa bulletin was not in their favor. 2 months ago, some of these members were ignoring IV action item requests and only thinking about own cases and engaging in eb2 vs eb3 on the threads. Put yourself in our shoes and try to do what we are trying to do. Take out that many number of hours everyday for IV as we do. Go on your own expense to DC and meet lawmakers. Get threats from anti-immigrants and still continue to work on this effort without fear.
There is a thread for high five campaign. How many of us have really contributed a mere 5 dollar for it? The community of more than 30 thousand has failed to raise even 5K in more than 2 months and yet we want to see results. 5K is not even enough to file one greencard case and you want to lobby with it and fight with anti-immigrants who spend millions opposing us? Where is IV membership now when we need them? Is the IV membership ready to take the blame for its failure?
Today everyone is talking about sending clocks, letters or even has the courage to send emails to USCIS. 2.5 years ago people were scared to do any of this. Nobody was talking about employer problems or lawyer problems and willing to name them on forums. There was no action item. There was no awareness. But today we have changed all that. This is IV's biggest achievement.
So before you start pointing fingers at IV, pose a question to yourself. Have you done enough for this cause? We need threads to translate into action and results. Your contribution for IV should not be how many threads and posts you have created but what you have done for the community.
As we have always said, join your state chapters and if your chapter is not active, make it active. Be a leader. Use your energy to lead the effort and travel to DC and meet lawmaker offices. Meet lawmakers in your area. Make phone calls, write letters. But don't just create threads with ideas. We need people to work on those ideas.
Remember each one of us is responsible for IV's success and failure and IV is everyone.
theMan
07-17 08:47 PM
You are "theMen" and "theWomen" as well. I have been advocating your role in obtaining relief for many of us here. Obviously some free riders and doubting thomases are still there, but once again, congratulations on a job well done.
RNGC
12-03 02:20 PM
Can't you write to Ombudsman regarding this interview experience.
How can an IO be ignorant of the infamous july fiasco ?
good idea...IV should write this to Ombudsman.
We should also get a survey/feedback form from the IO for AOS interviews, POE etc so we can send the feedback to USCIS. The form should include date, time , IO name etc and survey questions...Only then USCIS can improve their service.
How can an IO be ignorant of the infamous july fiasco ?
good idea...IV should write this to Ombudsman.
We should also get a survey/feedback form from the IO for AOS interviews, POE etc so we can send the feedback to USCIS. The form should include date, time , IO name etc and survey questions...Only then USCIS can improve their service.
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