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  • sk2006
    08-13 08:58 PM
    Fred,
    Congratulations!!

    Just ignore the accusations. Two things here. Firstly, people are really frustrated here with all the GC stuff. Secondly, there has been lot of Anti-immigrants coming in and trying to disrupt the forums, making people inherently suspicious.

    Enjoy your Green Card. Remember to support us lesser mortals in future. :p
    -Doggy

    As per him his GC is approved when his Priority date was not current.
    This could mean trouble and he has to contact USCIS to correct the error.




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  • amitjoey
    07-05 07:49 PM
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  • ganguteli
    02-25 11:33 AM
    Is IV only for those who have filed I485?

    I gave my opinion and people gave me lot of reds. There is a majority here who already have EAD and have filed I485. You people do not care for those who are less fortunate and struggling in the early stages of the process. If July 07 had not happened, all of you would be asking for I485 filing option today.

    By giving reds to people who disagree you will drive people away and make IV only for those who have filed I485 and not for the entire EB immigration people.




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  • vbkris77
    03-08 06:56 PM
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    11-19 07:05 PM
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  • vpadman
    07-17 07:07 PM
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  • starlite
    07-21 02:08 PM
    Hope this helps.

    Thanks for your response.
    Actually I still have the original I-94 from which my tourist visa was issued.
    So to answer your question, no, they didn't collect it from me.
    I wonder why you ask that question.
    Please share any insights.
    Thanks.




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  • shankar_thanu
    07-17 07:52 PM
    IV core group, Thank you all for this awesome effort.



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  • aadimanav
    03-06 11:04 AM
    Voted "yes".

    Thanks for this drive.


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  • gcisadawg
    04-13 10:06 PM
    This ain't nothing. Wait until the second wave of labor substituted EB3 applicants port their case from EB3 to EB2 or EB1 .Talk about a double whammy. Except a bigger hit in the next year or two when most of the porting succeeds.

    Labor substitution may be legal but it is unethical. When everything depends on when you join the queue, how can one cut the line?

    Whereas EB3 to EB2 porting is both legal and ethical. When you have a EB3 applicant that is waiting in line for 8 years, he/she had already gathered that much experience based on his long wait. Also, if you look at EB2, it is one of the highly abused category. The EB3 applicant who started in 2001 has joined the line half a decade before the one with 2006 Eb2 PD. One can't really accuse him/her for cutting the line just like one can about substitutes! If the EB3 porting case deserves merit, then I strongly support it!

    My intention is not to to start a fight. But we need to see the true picture. Without acknowledging the problem how can we fix it?
    Bottom line, GC abuses need to stop and we should fight for it as much as we fight for our rights to get GC!



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  • vxg
    11-11 04:45 PM
    I really feel sorry to read this post and the Nanny must be punished for this however as everyone else said you may get into legal trouble if you do report it. My own son is now 5 years old and we use day care services and one of the reason i hate the Nanny concept legal or illegal is because of this abuse and qualifications of the nanny. I strongly suggest find a day care which is reputed has a structured curriculum. Go visit the place and check for cleanliness, talk to the staff etc. Remember some of the day care also bad in terms of hygiene etc. but almost none of them would risk their license by abusing a child. Agreed the child get sick a lot but as immune system develops they get over it and my son really enjoyed all the activities at day care. Nanny at home cannot provide activities needed to keep a child busy thus abuse can happen.
    Again i am really sorry to hear. I still think you can anonymously report to DHS or police that the nanny is working illegally if you can do it that way she will get deported and may never get a visa to US.

    Hello guys,
    Sorry for this non-immigration related post. We have this sudden, tragic situation that I wanted all of your advice on. Thank you for your time in reading this long post.

    We had hired an Indian nanny in NJ who, we learnt after hiring her, is here on a tourist visa. We were paying her $350 per week cash, which is the standard rate around here for nannies (incl. citizens and people on GC). We had liked her when we met her in response to an ad on Sulekha, and we thought an Indian nanny would be good for our first child. She has been with us for about 3 months, and we were intermittently not getting a good feeling with her for some reason. We finally bought a small security camera and installed it yesterday. On the very first day with the camera, we came home and saw the recorded video to find that she is violently hitting the baby on two separate occasions. Needless to say, it has shocked, angered and extremely saddened us. I showed the video to a couple of friends and even they say it is unbearable to watch. This was just the first day of recording and it pains us tremendously to think what all may have happened previously.
    She is of course not going to stay with the baby alone anymore, but I want to know what legal options I have to penalize her to the fullest extent, so that she does not do this to anybody else�s small babies. She it seems had come here last year and taken care of someone else�s baby in Hoboken, and I can imagine that their baby also went through this. (This woman and her husband are a ~ 35 year old couple, who have a multiple entry ten year tourist visa; both come here for 6 months every year and work odd jobs like this. They apparently got a (unsponsored) tourist visa after showing a lot of landed property in India).
    I specifically want to know if I will have potential problems if I go to law enforcement about this- regarding have employed her (both of us are on H1B visas). I know we have made mistakes and should have done better due diligence in this, and there cannot be any more punishment for us than seeing our 8 month old � who cannot tell us about it when we come home- being beaten on the tapes. We saw this yesterday and have not told her yet. We want to weigh all options before we proceed, but from today onwards one of us is home all the time till Friday. Any advice or opinion is sincerely appreciated. Thanks for reading this long post. And, to all who are thinking of nannies or have one, please learn from our mistakes and closely monitor your child�s safety every day.




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  • texanguy
    08-21 05:45 PM
    i still think you are lying!

    I am EB2 and my Priority Date is not current and it is 06 Sept 2006. I just wanted to check if my name check was cleared.



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  • newbie2020
    02-26 09:52 AM
    Since AILA has also taken interest into a proposal like this Don't you think we should engage them in planning the next strategy.

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  • ruchigup
    08-13 04:51 PM
    Many congratulation !!! Njoy your freedom and peace of mind.



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  • santb1975
    11-26 03:04 PM
    in contributions after we started this thread. Let's prove our Financial muscle. Please contribute




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  • nirenjoshi
    03-09 01:00 PM
    Please log in to the site and contribute. By logging in we can relate your contributions to your ID and confirm it by sending you a PM , Change your status as a donor and give you access to VIP forums when they are created.

    I made the contribution before I logged into IV. I guess thats the reason my status doesnt show up as 'donor'. Any way to fix it?



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  • sugaur
    06-09 11:40 PM
    I hope Pappu will post a succinent summary of the event soon. Please dont do it in donors forum only. Many of us have contributed to IVs efforts and for one reason or other don't have donor access.




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  • hydboy77
    08-11 01:40 PM
    Dream on about porting from Eb3 to EB2. On an average it is taking more 9 months to get labor clearence that too if it is eb3. if you are trying eb2 that is almost a definite audit. We have a case in our company which was stuck in audit (eb2) for more than an year now. our company and attorney are no longer filing eb2 (offcourse it is a different matter than they are no longer filing any green card application because of layoffs). So unless you are working for a desi "con"sultant company not many american companies (almosy none) are filing eb3 green card perm applications leave alone eb3 to eb2 conversions. Even desi companies are scared shit because USCIS is knocking the living daylights out of them. Even desi companies are scared of filing eb3 green card perm applications leave alone eb2. So good luck with your eb3 to eb2 dream.


    If dates are not favorable, i am considering moving to EB2.
    I am afraid , folks like me when rush to EB2 ( which has been going on ) the VB for EB2 will show back ward dates again after 6months from now.

    Mine is EB3 , Oct 03, India.




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    02-26 09:52 AM
    Since AILA has also taken interest into a proposal like this Don't you think we should engage them in planning the next strategy.

    http://www.ilw.com/articles/2009,0225-endelman.shtm




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  • cbpds
    08-12 08:21 PM
    Nice one, are u afraid of the last step?.......dying happily :) ==>DEATH !!

    EB3 Guys,

    Take it easy... This is just for humour, to have fun at these times.

    No green card for you. Just work well for 6 years, enjoy life in US, enjoy sports cars by renting, not by buying, rent a big house, have a lawn and garden in back yard, grow your own vegetables. Have nice vacations like Hawaii, Jamaican islands, Vegas, Porto Rico etc.,Have fun in life. Do not go for green card. After 6 years, get nice job in India,own apartment near to office and ask your parents to live with you. Take kids to school . Have fun with them. Try to become director, AVP,VP,SVP,CEO,CTO and President. Do not go for green card. After you become director, buy a single family home and mercedez or BMW and have fun. Retire by the time your kids become earners. Grow vegetables in back yard. Do gardening and have fun. Thats how life should be. Do not hope for green card. H A V E F U N.




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  • delhirocks
    07-09 12:08 AM
    There is no point in sending flowers knowing nothing gonna change. it is like putting flowers to us.

    Everyone has a different reason for doing this. I for one do not believe, this will give us any interim benefits. But Iam here for the long haul (2-5 years). I know that if we need to fix the system (get visa cap raised), we have to start somewhere. This will, hopefully get some conversations started in the media/congress. Who knows, this along with other initiatives that IV is undertaking/undertaken along with industry support, we might get it done in a few years.

    If not, atleast I would go to bed thinking I tried...




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  • realizeit
    02-25 01:05 PM
    I presented this PROPOSAL to CORE and just now I received a message from Pappu saying that they will discuss this and get back to us in a few days.




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  • unitednations
    02-04 07:00 AM
    Your posts are getting very irritating with this blind belief in this "Unitednations" fellow. Why do you believe in him so much? What has he done?

    People in this forum are about 1.5 years behind in the understanding of retrogression (all of these issues have been dissected, diseminated, corroborated, etc.); how the law works; what visa bulletin said in November 2005. dissecting numbers, etc.

    There is much deeper understanding of this on immigration.com since it has been going on for a while. Chandu is a member there and has been following it and participating on it.

    I would think something as important as this; one would research it to death and get all possible statistics on it. All these things have already been laid out in great detail very long ago.

    Don't know why you are irritated??? Maybe you should research it with the law and the various statistics by uscis, dol, dos and see what conclusions you can come up with.



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  • wa_Saiprasad
    07-20 11:10 AM
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  • deecha
    07-24 08:32 AM
    Isn't Elfreda out of status since May '07 when the L1 ended, as I guess the company she was working for would have reported it? H1 doesn't start until oct '07 and H4 is pending, so what is the status now??

    Does anyone else have any informed opinion?

    Thanks.

    If you get an attached I-94 along with your approved H1 petition then I am guessing that you are going to be in H1 status otherwise it would be L1, since you have that stamped in your visa (however, you are out of status). This is a gray area and you should really consult a lawyer.



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  • snathan
    08-12 05:20 PM
    EB3 Guys,

    Take it easy... This is just for humour, to have fun at these times.

    No green card for you. Just work well for 6 years, enjoy life in US, enjoy sports cars by renting, not by buying, rent a big house, have a lawn and garden in back yard, grow your own vegetables. Have nice vacations like Hawaii, Jamaican islands, Vegas, Porto Rico etc.,Have fun in life. Do not go for green card. After 6 years, get nice job in India,own apartment near to office and ask your parents to live with you. Take kids to school . Have fun with them. Try to become director, AVP,VP,SVP,CEO,CTO and President. Do not go for green card. After you become director, buy a single family home and mercedez or BMW and have fun. Retire by the time your kids become earners. Grow vegetables in back yard. Do gardening and have fun. Thats how life should be. Do not hope for green card. H A V E F U N.

    Does it make any sense...in the name of humour you are just pissing every one here.




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  • FinalGC
    12-19 02:45 PM
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  • mundada
    07-10 03:39 PM
    Hey...

    the law is not an end in itself... it's a means to achieving end.... and hence it can be challenged in the courts...

    final point... let us walk through the situation... per quota country limits is removed... now everyone applying for the employment based visa has to wait for 5 years.... so every country immigrant & the country politicians will pressure the US govt. to act... and only then politicians would act!

    case in hand: Labor Certifications... Before PERM it took upto 3 years for the labor to be certified and it affected everyone irrespective of the country... So the PERM was introduced.

    AC-21 ... before AC-21 everyone was getting affected and hence the AC-21 law..

    One may argue otherwise... but the reality is it matters especially if everyone is getting affected... However, we try... the family based visa won't go away... it affects everyone! No surprise that the latin american senators would NOT allow any legal immigration efforts to succeed without their cause being taken as well.

    The only way a thing will get done is if we have a mass problem... and if there isn't then as a tactic it is necessary to create one so that the whole problem could be solved. Otherwise everything will be lost in statistics like
    1> Only 2% of countries are getting affected.
    2> Only IT/electrical/software are getting affected.
    3> Out of the affected people only 5% are leaving, overall only 2% are leaving.
    4> etc. etc.

    Please note the above numbers are my guestimates.. but I hope you got the point. I am ready to bet the day per country cap is removed... within a year something would be done about the whole EB immigration.

    The human psychology is to be risk averse that is if something does not affect me then why should I bother myself with it? In other words, unless many people do not get affected, there won't be reform/change/resolution!


    FBI check delay is admin procedure so courts could take up the case. But per country quota is law.

    Many persons used to say skills need to be basis for selection. But that is not applicable for GC processing. Here there is no selection from multiple candidates. In Labor and I140 they are checking that particular candidate is suitable for that position or not and also no US citizen is available for the job. If not they will reject the candidate. So they are not selecting based on Merrit as no compettion is there for the particular position. So it is just all the eligible persons will get GC. It is similar to all the high school passed candidates will get admission to college if seats are available but not based on marks but based on FIFO basis.

    By FIFO based it is discriminatory but still unused other country quota is used in last quarter for India and China. So per country quota impact will be less if CIS uses all the 140K. Also they are not giving any one country preference or quota. So it is not outrageous compared to many other controversial laws. Law in any country is not perfect and even if perfect it will give more benefit to some group.

    It is very difficult to win by lawsuit against any law unless that law is outrageous and impacts many persons. So best way is to try for another law to change a law. But just removing per country quota will give very less benefit especially for Eb3. Waiting time will reduce from 7 to 6 years for all countries. If per country quota is removed with recapture bill then waiting time for EB3 may reduce to 1 to 3 years for EB3.




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  • axp817
    03-09 02:08 PM
    I can't wait till we see the results of this initiative. Having a source (website, tool, whatever) that tells me how many people are in line ahead of me, and is refreshed on a periodic (monthly as new bulletins come out) basis will take a lot of the guesswork and day dreaming out of this.

    A lot of us are in this mess for the long haul. A clear picture, even if it doesn't make the dates move any faster will ease a lot of anxiety and frustration. Atleast for me, it will.

    If you're sitting on your ass thinking that there are other people contributing and their contributions alone will help meet the goal, you are wrong, most people are thinking the same way.

    The way I see it, if you don't contribute/act to solve problems that you face in life, you have no right to whine about them.

    Be like me, contribute, and then whine all you want.



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  • pappu
    12-20 09:47 AM
    Looks like this campaign is loosing the steam..... My $500 have been waiting for two days now..... We started with 33% capital and not even at 50% ...this forum cannnot even run for 17%..... forget the next 50% we need to cover by 31st December.... Looks like I saved some money.
    No Anurakt. Our members will not let that happen. Members do continue the contributions. only about 100 members have paid till now. We are 7650 member strong.




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  • pmb76
    09-11 06:46 AM
    reedandbamboo, sweetjungle, bawa,
    Please refrain from using the terms "Indian legal immigrant community" in your communication with OMB. IV represents the skilled legal immigrant community in general and not immigrants from only one country. Doing this defeats our own cause and divides us. As a matter of fact I know several people who belong to EB2 ROW whose PDs are 2005-2006 and they are still waiting.
    IV was established to represent legal immigrants from all over the world. Please do not indulge in such divisive campaigns. You have been warned.




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  • potatoeater
    08-13 11:29 AM
    That is cool. By the way, do you have to pay lagaan to US govt, I mean taxes on your kheti-baadi?


    PotatoEater,

    I grow different kind in my backyard. It all depends on the size of your backyard and which zone you live in states. I live in virginia. By this August end /september first week summer crop will end. I grow tomatoes(30 plants), Mint, snake guard, water melons (15 plants), cantaloupes(10 plants), carrots, okra, spinach , chillis. Its fun and hard work too. You need to dig the soil, mix with top soil or garden soil and cultivate it. Every week fertilize it. This is my first year gardening. I have around 3000 square ft of back yard. i do not know what to do with that. I cannot maintain Lawn in back yard. So I decided to grow vegetables.
    I am eagerly waiting for my fall garden..I am planning to grow tulips,beets,cilantro,carrots,potato,peas etc., If I can get same space for garden In India and work place just 3 miles from home , I can happily go back to India.



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  • vina92
    12-18 09:56 PM
    Today was one of my busy days at work and couldn't visit IV. Iam impressed at the progress. Here is my $100 to IV for today.




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  • qasleuth
    02-27 09:16 AM
    Here is the dilemma.... The Idea is great...It can change our lives But if we sit on the idea for long it will rot So DO WE TAKE ACTION or LET US WAIT FOR CORE TO COME UP WITH SOLUTION. I would suggest we form a small committee or group of people who can brainstorm and come up with possible course of actions and then present the idea to core.

    This is similar to House->Judiciary committee -> Immigration sub Committee

    idea is to analyze the situation and come up with the best solution rather than waiting for
    CORE to act on.

    Sounds like a plan. Newbie2020, does your earlier offer for a bridge still stand ? If yes, whoever is interested in attending the initial bridge call, send me a PM with your contact number and name and we will take it from there.



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  • irock
    08-25 03:10 PM
    Aug-07 bulletin : http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3269.html
    D. JULY EMPLOYMENT-BASED VISA AVAILABILITY

    After consulting with Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Visa Office advises readers that Visa Bulletin #107 (dated June 12) should be relied upon as the current July Visa Bulletin for purposes of determining Employment visa number availability, and that Visa Bulletin #108 (dated July 2) is hereby withdrawn.


    Actual July bulletin: http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3258.html


    Does anyone have this USCIS link?




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  • dummgelauft
    12-08 11:54 AM
    Hello Ronhira,

    If some orphan or homeless break your front door and enter into your house, would you allow him to stay with your family on Humanity basis ?

    Why first of all INTENTIONALLY she entered other's territory ?

    Tx
    You are right on the money.
    And all of us who are from India, let us not forget that INDIA faces similar issues of cross-border infiltration ( the reasons may be different), form some of our less than friendly neighboring countries.
    Indian forces are trained and instructed to foil these guys from crossing over by whatever means necessary, including blowing their heads off with a well placed gunshot...and if arrested, we all know how our Police forces and other investigative agencies treat and interrogate the people in their custody...
    Just one hypothetical question for these people...What if a pregnant female terrorist is arrested by police in India, just before she was about to engage in some terrorist act in India itself, is arrested and is shackled to her hospital bed, while she gives birth...would all of these "human rights supporters be saying these same things...

    Where does the "humanity" that these "holier-than-thou" people are talking about, go.
    We all feel happy when intruders are shot or arrested at out land borders....

    If India has the right to protect its territory from illegal incursions by Citizens of other countries, why not US?




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  • SA EB3 Retro
    08-14 10:07 AM
    Did the Checks get cashed.!!!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SA EB3 Retro
    Signature has all relevant information. I-140 was approved August 2005.




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    Your help is very much needed to further our cause and we thank you for providing us the ammunition for the same.




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  • alterego
    09-07 10:58 PM
    After hearing this, do you think our folks will sit quiet. We will do whatever it takes to makes sure that American jobs stays American.
    By god grace , we will make sure that Strive act does not pass. Especially, the portion that talks about employment based category.

    What an intellectually bankrupt person you are. If in 25 yrs time, someone who would bring skills that improve America's economic competitiveness and strengthens this country's overall quality of life is being brought here by a Lear jet, why would I crib over that, saying I only came in first class? I would roll out the red carpet, it would not be about me, it is about what that person is bringing and the need for it here that determines this. What don't you get in that?
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  • tinamatthew
    07-22 10:50 AM
    So, basically if I get a new I-94, am I in status again? Someone mentioned that you should be in status since your last arrival to the US. That was in 2004. So, i was under teh impression that I had to leave the country and return and things would be OK.

    If you know, can you PM me any lawyer who you can help in this matter?

    Yes when you leave the country you are in status again! for i-485 AOS, USCIS will look at your status since your LAST entry into the country




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    04-15 09:10 PM
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  • SunnySurya
    08-21 04:33 PM
    Where in the bulletin you are looking at?
    Spillover mentioned in the "VISA BULLETIN FOR SEPTEMBER 2008" can only be used in the timeframe Sept-01-2008 till Sept-30-2008.

    http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4328.html




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    Itisnotfunny,
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    thanks,



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  • ThinkTwice
    03-06 12:53 PM
    I pledge $50 for this effort but I would also like to state that we should think before we move ahead, some items to consider are
    - Some one mentioned that we should try to leverage the press to get coverage for the response.
    - We should forward the response from USCIS to the president, first lady, ombudsman, Secretary of State etc
    - Get an exact understanding of what information would benefit us most and make sure we ask specifically for that
    - Try to negotiate a better rate with USCIC ;)

    Peace




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    12-19 12:17 PM
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  • BECsufferer
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    I can jump around in joy and happiness as my PD is current under Sept. VB. But I am sure it will retrogress next month to pre-2004 ... till than I have 29 days of joy!

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    11-30 02:40 PM
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  • sam2006
    02-02 10:05 PM
    USCIS does not give how many Visas they have used and how many are left



    like how many unused have gone to EB3 or Eb2 etc
    if its Vertical or horizontal visa distribution


    they have been some Law Suits on them to give the data




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  • a1b2c3
    12-09 02:51 AM
    I can debate you rationally under one condition; the moment you resort to personal attacks I will stop. I will assume you have a fair grip of English language and decent comprehension skills. If you agree then lets get this rolling:

    First off, have you read the link which I have provided in my previous post ?

    If you did, then I hope you will stop making simplistic comparisons of Mexicans coming into US to lets say Bangladeshi's coming into India.

    "we all know how our Police forces and other investigative agencies treat and interrogate the people in their custody"
    No, we ALL do not know that. Even if it is true in every part of the country and in each and every case, it does not make it right.

    "Just one hypothetical question for these people...What if a pregnant female terrorist is arrested by police in India, just before she was about to engage in some terrorist act in India itself, is arrested and is shackled to her hospital bed, while she gives birth...would all of these "human rights supporters be saying these same things..."

    What you are making is called a straw man argument (Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman)). In this case, the woman is NOT a terrorist nor
    was she suspected of any such crime, so bringing such hypotheticals will not give any weight to your argument.

    What you are seeing is a case of 'socio-economic' osmosis. Problems of this nature has been debated across many nations of the world. How you handle these issues goes to the core character of the nation. Shooting 'intruders' is perhaps one way of looking at it. Then such a solution cannot be undertaken by a 'super-power' who wants to hold moral superiority in the league of nations.

    A few 'simple' cases of water-boarding people thought will not have any repercussions. How wrong those people were. Similarly, police torturing 'intruders' and defending such actions does not make it right. It just erodes the basic character of the entire country. Would you want to teach your own kids as to how to treat such issues ? Shooting, shackling, water-boarding etc ? Please do not give a flippant reply, do think about it before you hit the submit button.

    Socio-economic solution along with a sensible immigration policy has been found to be far more sensible as compared to a pure enforcement policy. It has been proved over the years that a pure enforcement policy which many nativists support to be economically unviable. Minutemen patrolling the borders to Gov. Perry's multi million dollar border cameras, have proven to be ineffective and economically unfeasible.

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  • abhijitp
    11-28 01:11 PM
    Are you a free-rider of the July VB bandwagon?

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  • YesGC_NoGC
    12-19 10:13 AM
    Come one everyone...




    sweet_jungle
    09-13 08:22 PM
    The petition looks great! I'm languishing in the queue since March 02 (PD early 2002). No IO is willing to listen to anything about my case. Sometimes I hink we should meet up with USCIS director and explain how unfair the whole system works and how individual cases have suffered!

    good work, espcially reed and bawa.

    lets get ready to send on Monday.




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    07-05 08:09 PM
    The media needs to know, I do not have any idea how.
    Media will know - if we get enough numbers. I am already in touch with a couple of journalists but the critical thing is to get a good number to make a media event out of it. The current poll shows 53 Ayes and 124 Nays - well that's not going to cut it. We need more people to order tomorrow otherwise delivery window for Tuesday morning will be shut off.